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I don't see how single-player content is a bad thing. I mean in WoW for example you can sit in trade/LFG channels for hours just tot try to find a grp for something. Esp if you're an "off class", Ret paly... boomkin... Because you can still DO something while you're waiting for a grp for your "grp quest" or w.e. I never played EQ so I don't know how bad it is on that but, honestly you'll find a grp for the most necessary things in WoW to lvl you the fastest. So to me... solo-ability.. good thing.. Esp for being a drood :)

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In Dark Age of Camelot, Midgard was known as the realm that requires grouping. All the monsters brought friends when you pulled them, requiring multiple people just for grinding out levels. When it came to the PvP end-game, Midgard always had the better groups because they were used to grouping and helping out their fellow players.

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There's nothing that says single-player content has to come at the expense of multi-player content. Make it possible for soloers to progress through the game, but provide material that you just won't get to experience without groups and guilds. I was soloing my way through Eve just fine; I joined a corp because I liked the people, not because I needed to. And because of that I was able to wait until I actually found one I liked.

This means that since we're drawn together because we get along well rather than because we're forced to need each other, if anything we have a better bond (IMO). It's one of enjoying hanging out with each other, not "well, I guess we need to keep you around even though you're a twit, because we need someone with your skills."

Most of the hard-core raiding guilds I've met that only stick together because of content have large drama problems. Whereas the guilds I've seen that come together because of common interests or personality tend to last pretty well.

I think the real question is, what can games do to provide incentive other than non-soloable content for people to stick together? Like, better ways to find people with similar interests. Better grouping mechanisms. Better guild support structures. Whether I join a guild/corp/etc. in a game has nothing to do with whether material is soloable; all soloable material does is allow me to wait to join one until I find one I'll enjoy.

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I don't really mind the forced grouping. However, XP penalties and corpse runs got old real quick. I like how most MMOs are becoming a little less hardcore but I don't think taking grouping out of the equation should be done. All that does is foster stupidity.

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I don't think you can compare new MMOs with those first few out of the shoot without factoring in that they were the first few out of the chute. The people who jumped into UO, for instance, were people who'd been playing single player RPGs for years. Probably the same can be said for EverQuest.

Almost by default, the people playing those games had more in common than do the people playing today's modern games, just because the 'net' has been thrown so much wider to get customers.

I think that had as much to do with it as the forced grouping...

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The problem with having lots of single player content (eg WoW) is that when those of us who want to group try to find some ppl to hook up with, there's no one to be found. Everyone else is out soloing.

If you want to solo go play nintendo.

If you want to play *massively multiplayer* games, then find a group.

But stop turning my MMOs in to massively single-player games.

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I think that group content is something that every MMO needs to have but not required to have by any means. You should find incentives that entice players to go after said grouping content. This is really the WoW model, it is like Errantdreams was saying, leaving the option there so when your comfortable it is available. I mean a lot of people just don't find appeal in waiting in a major city doing "LF ___."

Although if you can't live with soloing new characters to eternity your going to have to build a social network, or quit. This is where the social dynamic picks up. It offers quicker incentives for playing in groups, arena, instances, out door bosses. So those gamers who desire a social network usually can find them and grow as a guild and they get those ties that create long lasting friends.

Case in point, One of the first guilds on Magtheridon US was called Echoes, after leaving a guild called HonorBound I went to Echoes and quickly befriended myself with all the Paladins in the guild. We have had a great friendship even though I think I'm the only one still playing. Those bonds come from dealing through all the nerfs buffs and everything inbetween. It isn't always about the hardcore "you must group to survive," mentality that builds great relationships.

It takes time spent with people who share your own goals and can respect you for what you bring to the gaming experience. You don't have to be hardcore just honest and have a personality that really works with everyone else you spend your online time with. After all you only are the person you portray yourself to be online.

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WoW was really the first MMO that was officially single-player friendly, the fact that it has like insanely more players Worldwide then any other MMO in history might at least be somewhat influenced by this fact.

Having to always find groups is a pain in the arse. I remember playing FFXI where I would literally sit around in a place for an entire day doing nothing, just hoping a space would open up in one of the groups and I could get in. I don't see the fun in that.

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Yeah, sorry... Solo-friendly MMOs are just better.

Anyone play Neocron? It was a tiny (I suppose it still is, it's technically still around, I think) MMO and even a compelling one but it had a fatal flaw that literally killed it: Literally every system was designed with the idea that any given player would always have a community of other players to rely on, be it to help them craft, upgrade their player, adventure with or even to complete missions against (it featured PVP). When the player base dwindled beyond the necessary critical mass to sustain basic services like gear repair, the few remaining players basically left en masse for more solo friendly MMOs.

I'll give up those allegedly tighter knit communities to prevent death by group-centric design, any day.

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You know, I think the best way to get people grouping again would be to incorporate a mechanic that analyzes your current quest log and enters you, automatically, into a database of people currently on those quests. For added simplicity, the system could search specifically for those within your area.

Another, possibly better, solution would be to maybe take people with a majority of similar quests, instead of groups for each quest. After putting everyone together, a chat room could be created for said quest group which would make it so everyone could talk to eachother, find out which groups need what, etc.

While my idea needs a bit of hammering out, I think you guys get the idea. Basically, we need a system that puts you in immediate and direct contact with everyone that can help with, and benefit from, the same things you're doing. Doing it this way will make it so you don't wait for hours in LFG channels because EVERYONE will be automatically placed, or perhaps tagged, in those group channels.

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Life's little vicissitudes keeps me generally busy. I generally have to be AFK every 5 or 10 minutes. For between a couple minutes and maybe an hour.

I solo, because I think it's _really_ unfair to inflict that sort of enforced-schedule on anyone else. If they're counting on me to provide DPS or healing, or crowd control and I'm not doing it - that's just not fair.

So - I solo. Have I seen a taskforce mission in City of Heroes? No. Have I done the fellowship quests in LotRO? A few. Basically by overpowering them. The reward is minimal or nearly zero, but at least you have the satisifaction of clearing them away.

The few times I've had predictable time and managed to team up with others for 45 minutes or so - I've generally come across some good people. It's been fun to work/play with them and achieve goals together. I like that.

I know the solo route is going to miss me out on seeing a chunk of an MMO's content. I'm sort of resigned to that. The epic LotRO quests? Probably not going to be able to get very far with those, I'm told.

So it goes.

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Eh, "single-player content" is the way it has to go until designers get off their lazy asses and actually start innovating. They need to come up with new ways to allow people to experience ALL content from solo play-styles to hard-core raiding. Okay maybe I am being harsh on the "lazy asses" comment as the real reason for the lack of innovation is probably more a fear factor by the investors.

Still one day I hope to hear people not talking about solo, casual, hardcore because things like scaled content/encounters have made such concerns obsolete.

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It's a massively multi player game ... sorry that means you sign on to play with other people, it's like comparing death match to a single player game for a FPS, if you wanna play with/against other people you play a mmo or a DM (type) game if you want to play single player games then do that.

I think you misjudge the whole issues rather than single player vs multi player content, I'd say casual vs hardcore content is more an issue that is ripping the MMO apart at the moment.

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No game should force you to have to group. It should be the players choice to do so or not and for the most part, WoW does a good job of this until you reach the highest levels and the game completely turns to group raiding.

A perfect example of good grouping in my opinion is when I played Warbirds (a WWII flight sim) a long time ago. In that game you could play individually, with a squadron, and with your country all at the same time. For example, I might log on and find out that most of my squadron (guild) is not online yet. No worries though because I see multiple sorties of fighters and bombers taking off for an enemy base nearby. On the com channel, I also hear a desperate please for more cover support for the bombers so I choose a fighter plane and take off to escort the bombers I just saw leave a few moments ago.

The beauty of this type of organization is that I can be a solitary individual pilot, not in any squadron / guild, yet I can still feel like I'm contributing on larger community goals (i.e. our countries attack on an enemy base) by assisting them. At the same time though, if I just want to practice up my personal skills at flying, I could fly out to a less active enemy base and do some dogfighting with a few other enemy pilots. The choice is mine. I can do solo activities or contribute in larger scaled community efforts, all without having to forcible group with anyone or even join a guild.

This is exactly the type of activity I'd love to see in MMOs, yet most aren't design this way from the very scratch but instead try to hack on something like it by adding a PvP realm areas afterwards (i.e. Easter Plaguelands in WoW). From the sounds of it Conan will have the ability to build cities and conquer them as well. How well this is executed we'll have to see. But again it might allow the opportunity for multiple guilds and individuals of one country the ability to attack and overtake the cities of another countries, thus creating an ongoing battle effect for anyone who wants to participate.

Most important of all though, these community efforts have to have a real effect on the game world though. If you just kill something and they respawn, what's the point. If you can kill the guards of a town and take it over which in turn gives your country more resources, abilities, or flight zones especially in relationship to a larger global war, then that really can make a dramatic impact on the game. Again best of all, it allows a single person the ability to collaborate with as many or as little people as they wish, yet still contribute on larger community goals (if they so wish).

For example, in Warbirds, I could be a solo pilot yet feel like a hero of our country if I drop the final bomb that shuts down the last airfield required for us to win the war.

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The thing that bites me more than anything are the "gearheads" the people who insist the whole game is about gear and totally ignore all the other content. And that is, I think, the biggest killer of today's MMO

But about the "forced group" idea, the game already tracks every person who's online at any given time and their levels. So what if instead of declaring the level of all the mobs and setting a "Minimum" level per zone, generate the level range of the zone dynamically based on the average level of all players online. (This would exclude so called newb zones.)

This would be updated on paper say every 10th login/off or so and only shown in game at the next respawn. So if a player kills everything in his/her area right at the end of this cycle and a level 70 character logs in the average goes up (albeit slightly) and the next group of enemies gets harder.

However if a person logs on at a time when there is hardly anybody on the server the game reverts to something that can be solo'd. This way nobody is ever "Forced" to group by mobs that are too hard, (Although the game DOES get harder the more people of higher levels are on and because of that it encourages people to group more often)

Well, it makes sense to me anyway...

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