Massively^™

it sucks to have people disrespect you and such, but i kinda dislike this taking a gift to the community as hostage reaction of his (though i must admit I have no idea of what would be a better path of action to suggest him in this case :/


(on a (half)side-note, if his app was so popular among the community, there will probably be people distributing the lst released version, and if it starts to be missed too much people will probably create something similar)

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One controls (hopefully) one's product by setting permissions. If this is a full perm item, the creator has ceded control IMO.

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I agree...but as a technically-challenged SL user, I wouldn't have a clue how to get around those permissions. And if they were applied, and if someone got around them, then of course that is actionable.

However, an accusation (or indeed, a defense) on blogs, twitter etc are not the way to sort this. IP theft is a serious issue both in SL and RL, and right now it's playing out like Grade Nine schoolyard stuff instead of the very real offense that it is purported to be. And this sort of unsubstantiated accusation, smearing, defense, counter-accusations etc diminish the very real complaints that SL designers have, in my opinion.

Designers may not like the LL process, but quite seriously, has it been tested in a court yet? I will bet that LL can claim it has taken reasonable precautions and that will stand up. However, court is where IP theft cases should be taken....and in this case the guilty, if found to be so, should be held accountable, not 800 members of a private group, or indeed the SL Mentor program.

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just to make it clear in case someone is still not aware of this

a texture must be full perm to to allow people that are not the uploader to apply them to prims (either as regular textures or as a sculpty map)

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It's another case sample of stolen use of "Another Skin". Some people even look at docments such as BSD license, GPL, etc...

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The Mental Mentor member who distributed the item did so as part of a routine practice. He routinely buys items that are Full Perm and then shares them with the group so we may share them with New Residents. This was a mistake. He has advised other Mental Mentors to delete the item from their inventory. I have done so.

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The mentor who did this as part of his "apology" wrote this:

"AS far as I am concerned, I have done nothing wrong, full perms means just that, a notecard doesnt mean jack, it is simply the creators wishes, he elects to sell full perm things. anyway."

Shocking from anyone who has been in second life for any time-
worse coming from a mentor

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That Mentor should be Abuse Reported for content theft. What was his name?

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You know... the sad fact is, that textures sold in second life are NOT all that useful to builders if they do not come with full permissions, so Cel Edman didn't have much of an option if he wants his sculpt maps to actually be USEFUL to the purchasers. This is a flaw in the permissions system, in my opinion.

The big thing that bothers me in this whole situation is that, this was sent out to the Mental Mentors group by *a* member, but it seems that *all* members are being painted in a negative light by some folks. I'm a member of MM, and I'm glad to be. There are a lot of wonderful members of MM, let me tell ya. ;) You won't ever find me or the vast majority of the MMs redistributing stuff we aren't specifically allowed to.

I've also been a buyer of Cel Edman's sculpt maps in SL - and as I already said, I would not and have not ever distributed them through any group whatsoever. I know I, and quite a few more outspoken members of Mental Mentors, have also chosen NOT to make use of the pack (and I never saw the SFT pack, but rather the ceramics pack, but that doesn't mean I didn't MISS something.)

Anyway, my point is just this: if you feel that one member of a group is in the wrong, by all means, speak up! Let that person know, let the person(s) they have wronged know, BUT kindly refrain from painting all members with the same brush, in the same light.

Just my 2 cents.

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