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Brilliant logic. Considering that no MMO is ever truly finished you could make the case for simply never releasing any MMO's at all.

That sounds absurd? How long did the 2-handed weapon Shaman bug exist in WoW(skill reset to 0 when Shaman respec'd)? Lineage 2 still doesn't have lockable short cut bars and until the last major patch you could fall through water and die.

Anymore bright ideas?

AoC is in HORRID shape compared to WoW at release. Don't deny it. At least WoW was finished, and playable.

I'm tired of fanbois for whatever game giving the developers a get out of jail free card. It's time we as consumers held them responsible for not being slack-asses. No, no MMO is truly every finished. But finishing what you promised people and they paid for is key. Funcom did not deliver.

To: Lethality and heartless

As I said. this is the smothest launch "I" have ever experienced. on what grounds?... playability (lag, glitches, quests working.) and server uptime. I was not there for the LOTRO launch so I cannot comet towards that.

I was however around for the WoW launch ad I do remember may hours of downtime, broken quests, and other glitches.

I am ot trying to say AoC is god and all oter MMO's are crap. I like WoW I love EQ2 and AO has a special place in my heart, but is for me the WORST MMO launch Ever lol.

I may just be lucky and never ran into the AoC glitches, but random luck aside FOR ME AoC was a very smooth launch. I was on Release day when I got home from work, and played till 3am. I crashed about 3 times, ad saw a few gltches like characters moving in T form, but other ten that it was nothing that preveted me from playig the game.

If you want more specifics about why I think WoW or other games were not as good... honestly I cannot think of any specific examples to give you. So for that matter I do not have much ground to stand on.

I guess I should have further expanded on the MPG comment... right now WoW and others are firing on all cylinders and are at thier 100MPG per say. I am just saying fo me the initial releas was subpar and AoC is much closer to being (for it.) 100% thn those games were...

as for Recent launches.... what does it matter? if I compare a 2 year old game to a 10 year old game (On certain aspect... not all.) such as release quality... Everquest 2 could ave waited till t was perfect till release, and so could WoW, so could AO, so could Acherons Call... bu none of them did some were unplayable, others just had some annoyances...

ok example: popular opinion rates HALO as a near perfect FPS, popular opinion also rate Golden Eye as a near perfect FPS, but they are... I don't know 10 years apart? while Haze and Crysis just came out and they recieve ALOT of crap for being buggy... Crysis for not working with SLI, and Haze for aving bugs and being a bad game.... when a game came out is not overly importat unless comparing only certain things like graphics. you can't compare Golden Eye to Haze graphically.. it's not fair, but you can compare thier quality and how playable they were at launch... heck even Crysis had a few glitches at launch where Golden Eye was essentialy 100%

ad you know to make bot our Argumets COMPLETELY mute (atleast in my tiny little head.) This stuff is all subjective... and has many other factors involved.

Lets say someone was really looking forward to the release of AoC they may set aside all issues, or, vice verse, because they were looking forward to it they will set aside nothing.... 2 people, same computer, same glitches, same downtime, same patch nerfs... oe gives it a 9/10 the other a 3/10

So lethality if I tell you I believe that AoC is great because that is my opinion are you going to bash me cause you have a conflicting opinion... or maybe you think a game being good or bad is not a matter of opinion that it is a matter of fact?

Is that the american/british/allied way of thinking? you get your panties all in a knot cause I just happen to like one game over another? sorry I can't play EVERY MMO and sorry my opinion of a good launch is different from the rest of the world, but I have my own personal reasons for thinking that AoC is the Smoothest launch I have ever Experienced... Key phrase there.

"I have ever Experienced" My experiences lead ME to form this opinion.

Sorry Lethality if you feel a need to bash me cause of my opinion then please make your way over to tiananmen square I'm the guy in the middle of the road.

Sincerely,
Ori

You kind of went emo on me there...

You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but you are stating things that are facts.

WoW in FACT had more complete quests at launch. WoW in fact had a bank, auction house, and mail system. WoW in fact also had more server lag than AoC.

But AoC has factual problems even stated by the developers... not simple hardware or infrastructure problems like WoW had.

So what I am saying is there are measurable items that do indeed make one game better than the other.

If you really believe that the AoC launch was better than WoW, either you weren't there, or you aren't being honest with yourself... there aren't too many people that will dispute that.

On what grounds do you determine this was the smoothest MMO launch? Because I can tell you categorically that it was not. It was not smoother than WoW, it was DEFINITELY not smoother than LoTRO... and I'd prefer to compare it to recent games.

Seriously, I'd love to hear.