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I could be wrong on this, but isn't it similar to the announcement/launch timing of the Burning crusade Expansion (which, by the way, was well over a year ago at this point, so there is no "under the deadline" ;) )?

I would be shocked if there were *not* things that require a bit of patching after launch, what with the number of changes and the amount of rebalancing required. Actually, I fully expect that, in order to have the number of disks produced on time, there may be an immediate patch available to the content shipped in the retail box. I'm ok with that.

Now, are they under pressure to have a product on the shelves this year? Probably. But I remain hopeful that they know the loss of their reputation as a company that ships something when it is ready would be greater than the outcry over waiting on a release date announcement. So if they say November 13 it will be ready and up to their standards, I am willing to believe it until shown otherwise.

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To be honest, both the original WoW and TBC shipped with quite a lot of bugs. And some of them have still not been patched. It's still possible to fall through the world and there are still geometry bugs in battlegrounds (not to mention other zones).

Maybe we're just making the "legendary" polish a bit too legendary by not remembering how these releases went.

Sure, Blizzard releases great quality games - there's no question about it, but it's important to remember their releases haven't been trouble- or bugfree. I think it's mostl failures from other game companies that have made Blizzard look very good in comparison.

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They announced a November release date for BC too...of course that didn't happen. Everyone I talk to in the beta says it's not ready, and frankly I'd be surprised if it actually ships on November 13.

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beta seems really close to being done asset wise. Its all there and works well. There is still number crunching to be done but for anyone to say polish wont be attained because of a 41 pt talent hasnt been playing mmos very long. Talents and number are always in flux to some degree. They are always being worked on and changed and tweaked. The beta looks great. I think they are looking good for their nov 13th date.

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There's the beta we play and can talk about and the Beta Blizz plays and wont talk about. I have a feeling that they have a lot more polish on the game than what we see.

I think it will still launch with more polish than Warhammer did.

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It's ready enough.

I was in classic wow beta, BC beta and now wrath beta... the state of the expansion is on par with all their previous releases. A few tweaks here and there, and more work to be done on end game stuff in the following weeks after release.

It's more than playable and fun enough that a few minor issues aren't going to be gamebreaking.

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They always shipped WoW with bugs and unfinished content, I don't see why it's such a big deal.

When TBC launched, the much-showcased netherdrake flying mounts (and the quest content associated with them) was MIA, raid bosses weren't tuned (Gruul 1.0 was nearly impossible for most guilds) and Hyjal wasn't ready so they bugged out the bosses (or put them on supreme mode).

So what, right? Patch 2.1 that fixed all that stuff came out nearly 5 months later, raiders were pissed but that's always a vocal minority, most were just starting to out-gear Karazhan or were still progressing through SSC at that point.

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People are forgetting that it takes 1-2 months after a game goes gold to reach store shelves. In that time Blizzard can fix the problems or at least fix most of them and patch the game on the day of release.

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I for one think that another game picking up the supposed 500k worth of subscriptions is a factor for any company to rush out something to get their customers back in the game again. The longer they wait even though it may be the right thing to do , the more of their players they can possibly loose to another MMO.

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I think most of their talent is working on other things and only a bare minimum of developers are working on WOTLK, which is why they are giving such short shrift to certain classes. They can't possibly think that classes like shammy and hunter are anywhere near ready to go.

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Burning Crusade shipped without Netherdrakes, which took MONTHS to implement. Shipping without complete content is not new for Blizzard, despite what people may wish to think.

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