The Old Republic Unveiled: Classes, Jedi, and Crafting
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Gripping story, compelling visuals, and innovative game mechanics may be enough for a single-player gamer to make a purchasing decision. But MMO gamers have one other thing they need to understand before they can make that choice: who am I going to be? Star Wars: The Old Republic is no different. What race, what class, what role are we going to play in this brave new world? While obviously we're no where near knowing what SWTOR's classes will be, we do have a few thoughts from the BioWare Austin heads about class-related issues. Join us as we find out some information on Jedis vs. non-Jedis, the fun of being a rogue, and the all important issue of crafting in the game.
Are you prepared for a world where most players want to be force users? Are you going to do anything to compel players to choose other class types?
Rich Vogel, Co-GM BioWare Austin: Yes and yes. One thing we have been doing is surveying within the company, asking people what classes they want to play. What is the population going to look like? Is there going to be more of this kind of class than this other kind of class? It allows us to work to make certain decisions about classes. We also want to encourage players to try out classes that they don't immediately want to play.
We have elements in place to encourage that but we can't talk about them because, again, they're not finalized. It's pretty exciting. One of the things that will be different about our game, from other MMOs, is the amount of replayability in the game. When you play like a Jedi from 1 to max, and then decide to start as a Sith, you won't see any content that will be the same. It's almost like playing a completely different game. That's going to be a big appeal to try those other classes.
Plus, since you're adventuring with your buddies that are playing other classes, they'll be telling you some of the exciting stuff they're doing. You're going to get tidbits that might really get you interested in playing one of those other classes. It's probably going to make you excited to try things out.
We also have a very interesting system that I can't talk about that will encourage players to try different classes.
Gordon Walton, Co-GM BioWare Austin: One of the things we should cover, one of the unique challenges of a Star Wars game. "Hey, all the other classes are wimps, and all the Jedi rule." If you think about it, though, Jedi get popped by people who aren't Jedi all the time. Not everybody's fantasy is to be a Jedi, believe it or not. I think that's the experience of other Star Wars games we need to think about too, is not everyone wants to be a Jedi.
Rich: You have to understand too, that all the players are heroic. When you play as a non-Jedi class, you're playing a heroic version of that class. Yeah, most Bounty Hunters in the Star Wars universe could probably get beaten up by Luke Skywalker. That said, Jango Fett and Boba Fett can hold their own. Jango Fett actually killed a Jedi in Attack of the Clones. Yeah, he gets killed by the highest level Jedi (Mace Windu) but Boba essentially incapacitates a Jedi in Return of the Jedi. Luke has to be rescued by Han Solo.
There are others that can take out Jedi. Clone troopers in Episode 3, obviously, they had the element of surprise. Imagine if there were elite troopers ... they could probably go toe-to-toe with a Jedi.
James Olen, Studio Creative Director: It would be really bad for gameplay too if Jedis just one-shotted everything. We understand why people are concerned about that, but we understand the issue. Every class must be interesting, every class must be badass, and every class must be balanced.
Is there going to be any outlet you players who aren't interested in the grand drama and want to get into, say, the criminal aspect?
Daniel Erickson, Lead Writer BioWare Austin: Absolutely. We're not talking about any of the other classes, but there are a lot of fantasies in Star Wars, and they're not all Jedi and Sith. There are absolutely going to be classes that are based around the other archetypal fantasies that you might have in there, and as you might expect some of those are going to go into some very different places in the Star Wars universe and concentrate very strongly in there.
There's also – and I say this as the lead writer – one of the things I'm constantly aware of is that there are people for whom Baldur's Gate II is their favorite game, and they don't care about story at all. They play it: "11111111111," because they were tactical D&D guys. We hope we're going to convert some of them, and so far in our playtests that's been one of our favorite things. The guys that come in that are openly hostile to the idea of story in an MMO, who come out and give us perfect scores. I didn't even expect that that was possible.
It's about the story not getting in your way. There are a couple of things that become really important. 1) How individual that story is to feel right for your class. Some of you have heard horror stories about the BioWare writer's training program. There are over three months after the multiple tests that you spend before you ever get to touch the game just training to be a BioWare writer. And if you're writing a class, which is the most sacred thing to be doing, you get stuff written all over your stuff constantly. You'll pitch a plot to me, and you're writing the Sith, and I write on the board: "And then Darth Vader ... helped a farmer ... save his tractor." And then I point at it and then we mock you. And then that doesn't go in our game.
"One of the things that will be different about our game, from other MMOs, is the amount of replayability in the game. When you play like a Jedi from 1 to max, and then decide to start as a Sith, you won't see any content that will be the same." |
Rich Vogel, Co-GM BioWare Austin: Yes and yes. One thing we have been doing is surveying within the company, asking people what classes they want to play. What is the population going to look like? Is there going to be more of this kind of class than this other kind of class? It allows us to work to make certain decisions about classes. We also want to encourage players to try out classes that they don't immediately want to play.
We have elements in place to encourage that but we can't talk about them because, again, they're not finalized. It's pretty exciting. One of the things that will be different about our game, from other MMOs, is the amount of replayability in the game. When you play like a Jedi from 1 to max, and then decide to start as a Sith, you won't see any content that will be the same. It's almost like playing a completely different game. That's going to be a big appeal to try those other classes.
Plus, since you're adventuring with your buddies that are playing other classes, they'll be telling you some of the exciting stuff they're doing. You're going to get tidbits that might really get you interested in playing one of those other classes. It's probably going to make you excited to try things out.
We also have a very interesting system that I can't talk about that will encourage players to try different classes.
Gordon Walton, Co-GM BioWare Austin: One of the things we should cover, one of the unique challenges of a Star Wars game. "Hey, all the other classes are wimps, and all the Jedi rule." If you think about it, though, Jedi get popped by people who aren't Jedi all the time. Not everybody's fantasy is to be a Jedi, believe it or not. I think that's the experience of other Star Wars games we need to think about too, is not everyone wants to be a Jedi.
Rich: You have to understand too, that all the players are heroic. When you play as a non-Jedi class, you're playing a heroic version of that class. Yeah, most Bounty Hunters in the Star Wars universe could probably get beaten up by Luke Skywalker. That said, Jango Fett and Boba Fett can hold their own. Jango Fett actually killed a Jedi in Attack of the Clones. Yeah, he gets killed by the highest level Jedi (Mace Windu) but Boba essentially incapacitates a Jedi in Return of the Jedi. Luke has to be rescued by Han Solo.
"If you think about it, though, Jedi get popped by people who aren't Jedi all the time. Not everybody's fantasy is to be a Jedi, believe it or not." |
There are others that can take out Jedi. Clone troopers in Episode 3, obviously, they had the element of surprise. Imagine if there were elite troopers ... they could probably go toe-to-toe with a Jedi.
James Olen, Studio Creative Director: It would be really bad for gameplay too if Jedis just one-shotted everything. We understand why people are concerned about that, but we understand the issue. Every class must be interesting, every class must be badass, and every class must be balanced.
Is there going to be any outlet you players who aren't interested in the grand drama and want to get into, say, the criminal aspect?
Daniel Erickson, Lead Writer BioWare Austin: Absolutely. We're not talking about any of the other classes, but there are a lot of fantasies in Star Wars, and they're not all Jedi and Sith. There are absolutely going to be classes that are based around the other archetypal fantasies that you might have in there, and as you might expect some of those are going to go into some very different places in the Star Wars universe and concentrate very strongly in there.
There's also – and I say this as the lead writer – one of the things I'm constantly aware of is that there are people for whom Baldur's Gate II is their favorite game, and they don't care about story at all. They play it: "11111111111," because they were tactical D&D guys. We hope we're going to convert some of them, and so far in our playtests that's been one of our favorite things. The guys that come in that are openly hostile to the idea of story in an MMO, who come out and give us perfect scores. I didn't even expect that that was possible.
"There are absolutely going to be classes that are based around the other archetypal fantasies that you might have ... some of those are going to go into some very different places in the Star Wars universe." |






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Tony said on 2:25PM 10-24-2008
The Jedi to Sith comparison doesn't seem significantly different to me than, say, Horde vs Alliance or Destruction vs Order. It seems logical that they'd have different content on that level, because they're on opposite sides of the spectrum. But it doesn't really imply to me that different classes will be seeing totally different things like he claims it does.
I guess we'll see. The game definitely has a ton of potential, but so do most MMORPGs. I'm still cautiously optimistic.
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Scopique said on 3:06PM 10-24-2008
Actually, Tony, in one of the other articles on the subject at Massively, they DID say that no classes will have overlapping content. However, I'm sure there will be "group" content which will, natually, overlap.
And is it just me, or are these BioWare "writers" sometimes...incoherent?
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-=iGGy=- said on 3:32PM 10-24-2008
i really really cant wait for this game. i like how they are saying that its not just gonna have a ton of content but specific content. cause that was kinda the lamest part of SWG that every piece of content was the same either side u were on. (example: I was an Imperial but my Rebel friends complained about having to attack the Corellian Corvette) it will be a nice twist to have a reason to switch factions or create characters of the other faction to see the other content that is available.
~iGGy~
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Nerolus said on 11:46PM 10-24-2008
I'm a bit afraid. When they say "from one to max" I really hope they don't intend on making this game a lindear style game. I'm sick of going from level 1-50 (or whatever the cap is). I want the tiered system that SWG brought us to come back. I love being able to mix and match classes.
Another thing I wish they would do (but it sounds like they aren't planning on it) is to make Jedi an option later on in the game, requiring you to go through a certain amount of content before you can start pwning the verse with a lightsaber.
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Stabbington said on 2:49PM 10-25-2008
The idea that you're going to have a "completely different game" depending on which race/class you choose is a nice thought, but is going to be very hard to implement/keep up with.
Think about the content in TBC and WotLK for WoW. Sure, there are horde- and alliance-specific quests and items, but the vast majority of the content is shared. That's for good reason. Designing quality content is hard and takes a long time. Saying you're going to exclude people from half (or more) of the content because of the class you chose means you have to do two (or more) times as much work to keep them satisfied.
Given the amount of time it takes to get a decent WoW expansion out the door, I question whether this is going to be a feasible long term strategy.
I don't think it's impossible, but the dev tools and game engine are going to have to be absolutely stellar to enable the developers to keep up with the demand for new content across the board.
I think it can be a great game even if they can't follow through on this concept, but I'd hate to see this game get hyped up like WAR did, then wind up promising way too much and having to cut back significantly. I, like many other folks, am looking for a game to tear me away from WoW -- it's an awesome game, still, but I've been playing it since day 1 and I'm ready for something else -- but that game is going to have to be almost flawlessly executed. I'm scared that this concept might get them off to a bad start.
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Dirame said on 3:13PM 10-29-2008
I cant wait for the guild that will call itself the 501st, i would want to be in that guild but I can only dream
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FarSpace said on 11:51PM 10-29-2008
"If you think about it, though, Jedi get popped by people who aren't Jedi all the time. Not everybody's fantasy is to be a Jedi, believe it or not."
Oh Yeah! Smuggler, baby! :)
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