"After all, the word now gets used for any part of a game the player finds boring and repetitive, rather than the process of repeating something over and over"

repetitive and boring = repeating something over and over = the same

mmo = grind = more subscription fees

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I'm sorry, but no. To me it looks like you're the one engaging in making the word "grind" meaningless, because to me by definition, "grind" means repetitive, boring, and/or meaningless gameplay. In other words, anyone telling me that grind is fun, is clearly not experiencing a grind. No, they're having an experience called Playing the Game and Enjoying It!

By your definition, and the KTR's definition, *everything* in an RPG game is a "grind". It's *this* idea that renders the word meaningless.

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i sorry but i played mmo for years the the so called grind in most games these days is so small. in everquest you have to kill stuff for days to get a lvl sometimes now the average game you can get a lvl easly for the first 30-40 and after that you get one at least once a day if you put you mind to it for a few hours. i find theres realy very little grind these days. in the old days grind was used more so that you grind to make it a little easyer to quest the higher lvl quest. now it used loosly like grinding to get resourses. grind to get more gold. grind seem more optional these days rather then not having any chose but to grind to lvl or get anywere.

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I don't really understand the word "nerf" as being thrown around without meaning. It has a very specific meaning. When something is "nerfed" it becomes lesser. It is the opposite of "buffed". It's not like people are confusing the words "nerfed" and "buffed" and you can't tell what you're talking about 0_o

I'd also like to add in that I was very confused what this snippet article was about initially, but after reading it twice I see it's a link to a blog post on another website talking about grinding.

Words that are thrown around with little definitive meaning in the MMO-sphere: "over saturated", "out dated", "under represented". The word grind has a definite meaning. You can point at something and say hey, that thing is a grind, and everyone else will say, yeah you're right. It's the unquantifiable phrases that are "essentially meaningless", and that's because they never had any meaning in the first place.

All MMO games have grinding. Grinding is the process of working at something in order to achieve something else. Do you grind your job? No, because a job isn't supposed to be a leisure activity. Grinding involves working during leisure activities in order to enjoy your activity. It also involves not enjoying the journey. Running up a mountain to see the sun rise could be considered a grind if you did it every single day up the same path and the weather never changed and there was no other way up to the top of the mountain and you really want to see that sunset and you don't mind running you just find it mind numbing and it takes up time you'd rather spend at the top of the mountain. Time invested doing monotonous task during leisure time equals reward = grind.

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I hate the word grind, because it tells me nothing about the game. I would prefer to leave the opinion of boredom to the reader. What a reviewer thinks is boring and tedious doesn't mean the rest of us think it is. Saying it's grind is like there's no argument that game is flawed.

I got no problems of reviewers expressing discontent with tedious parts of the game, but don't make blanket statements calling it grind. It's too vague and such unfair condemnation of the game. What needs to be done is more thorough explanation as to what the reviewer found boring and tedious.

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very good information about grind because grind means meaningless or when we are boring then we go to the playground to enjoy the games either by seeing or playing

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